Interview with
Sustainability Outlook Magazine - India
This is the
text of an interview with an Indian on-line magazine “Sustainability Outlook”.
I was interviewed by them in June this year as part of a focus on “Sustainability
as a Key Driver for Innovation” (a theory I wholeheartedly subscribe to!) and
the article just appeared in their on-line issue. The conversation centered on
ways in which sustainability can drive innovation in the Indian manufacturing
sector but the topics are in general much broader and may be of interest. The
magazine covers a broad range of environmental and sustainability issues in
India and the world. The article is reprinted here with their permission.
How would you define what Green Manufacturing is?
Green manufacturing is about
implementing any kind of substitution in the manufacturing process which leads
to a reduction in energy consumption, resource consumption, waste by-products,
and water usage. Any and every step that makes the production of a product,
component or part of a system more sustainable can be termed as Green
Manufacturing. Sustainability as a phrase is a discrete term – one is either
sustainable or not. However, the problem in manufacturing is that it is
difficult to accurately quantify all steps in the process and thus be able to
assess with precision whether the processes are truly sustainable or not.
Where do you think lies the
link between innovation and green manufacturing?
I believe that Sustainability is a great
driver for innovation. If you look at the big transitions that have happened in
the last 100 years or more, you will notice that they have always been promoted
by the need to get more value out of a process or reduce cost or inefficiency.
Henry Ford epitomized this when he pushed the transition from a craft
production to an automated production. People like these took the inefficiency
out of random organization and made the whole process more organized. As a
result productivity went up, cost went down and controlling ability elevated
further. I think sustainability presents
the same kind of opportunity now. People are inherently, as part of good
business practices, trying to reduce the cost of ownership of manufacturing
machinery, trying to increase productivity, maintain high quality and reduce
variability.
Sustainability gives us the
opportunity to reflect on things which might not have been considered in the
past. Issues like the cost of energy, which suddenly is now obvious to
everybody but which some years ago no one paid attention to; the cost of water,
the treatment of it and the condition in which it can be released, the cost of
materials etc. are things which are slowly coming into the mainstream dialogue
and emerging as key parameters with which processes’ efficiency can be judged.
In addition, we now need to factor in social variabilities which are not
necessarily technical in nature but can lead to disruption of entire supply
chain. This new way of thinking is propelling efforts towards an enhanced
manufacturing approach which factors in all of these issues and identifies
areas which need and could be improved – leading to not only a reduction in
adverse environmental impacts but also an enhancement in the financial
bottom-line of the firm; as also an efficient and cost-effective process.
Manufacturing
has gone through its own evolutionary process – from craft production to mass
production and now to mass customization. To what end do you think there is going
to be a fresh wave of manufacturing which will take into account
sustainability?
I absolutely think that the
time will come, if it hasn’t already, to take into account resource
sustainability and “embedded costs”. Of late there have been a lot of studies
trying to understand why companies embody sustainable business plans. The first
set of drivers that one notices includes reputation, competitiveness, product
awareness and solid business strategies because people tend to like companies
that at least attempt to be more sustainable. The next level tends to be about
cost related issues. Going back to Henry Ford, he was no environmentalist but
he was smart enough to realize that if one bought some material and didn’t
utilize it to its optimum use and threw some part of it away, one is
essentially throwing something that one has already paid for. Equally
importantly, one is also essentially paying someone to dispose-off that waste.
Up until recently accounting
systems and performance measurement systems weren’t in place to allow
manufacturing to track those costs separately. For instance, of late there has
been a huge push in the metal cutting industry to reduce the usage of coolants
because as it turns out, analysis showed that the costs of cutting fluids, the
handling of it and its disposal, amounted to a huge hidden cost and was a
burden to the production process. Before the study, however, nobody had
actually known what the cumulative peripheral costs were and couldn’t extract a
specific cost.
Now I think you can actually
make good arguments as to what the total benefits are: including cost benefits,
business benefits while keeping in mind things like regulatory issues. If you
use less of some material that is highly regulated, then you end up paying less
to dispose it, pay less to protect your employees while they work with it, pay
less to handle it and store it in your facility. It’s like light weighting in
automotive industry – the more you reduce the weight of the vehicle but keep
the same strength, the better the fuel economy gets. It’s kind of like
materials and resourcing in factories – the more you reduce, the more agile you
become.
To
what extent do you think manufacturing units are aware of the energy footprint
of their products? Do you think that green manufacturing as a concept has been
mainstreamed enough in commercial manufacturing, in India particularly?
I think the increasing cost of
electricity and other resources has forced people to understand and to pay
attention to how they use resources. People are increasingly trying to
understand how much energy they are using, how much of it is being used
productively and how much of it is being wasted through sheer negligence. So
increasing cost of electricity is one of the reasons why more people have
started thinking on these lines. The next is water – the cost and availability scenario has induced
people to start paying attention. The ones that are a little bit trickier
include cost of packaging, the cost of other resources used in the facility
that might not be associated directly with the process, etc. But the rapidly
changing energy picture has been a huge eye-opener.
Manufacturing in India has very significantly come down in
the past few years. What in your opinion could provide a fillip
to the manufacturing sector?
India
has a huge consumer base and a tremendous market and an exceptionally
entrepreneurial society which essentially means that efforts can be converted
into products quite nicely. There is a culture of education and technology
which is quite strong. Some countries have lots of energy, others have a lot of
natural resources; I think to India’s benefit there is a strong education,
information science culture and capability – as time goes on, this is going to
make processes more efficient and will definitely catalyze waste reduction
efforts as also optimal use of resource
or energy. It is the infrastructure that needs to be in place to ensure that
the variability of these things can be guaranteed. My sense is that the
potential of having the right set of tools for the next big industrial
revolution is probably higher in India – rather than say China or even Europe.
If you look at Central Europe, they have a very strong manufacturing
infrastructure but do not quite have the same affinity for information
processing and IT that exists in India. Also there is a huge market in India,
which is hard to come by anywhere else.
What do you see as the major challenge to environmentally friendly manufacturing? Is it to do with less diffused and available technology or does economic feasibility play a role in this?
The two are
probably tied together and this applies everywhere. If you are trying to grow
your business, you will require additional resources and will need more energy,
water, materials, access to transportation and access to these can be variable
and inconsistent. What is needed is the sort of lean technologies which help to
make processes more scalable in the presence of variable demand. The Japanese
pioneered the Toyota principle which essentially allows the production system
to accommodate huge variability in demand or huge variability in exchange rate
between the yen and the euro.
My sense is
that with respect to environmental issues or green technology, companies will
benefit by having another degree of responsiveness to changes in availability
or the lack of it in resources, supply chain disruptions etc. The companies
which figure this out will become more competitive because if there are
disruptions or reductions or unavailability of resources, then these are the
companies which will be prepared for such challenges.
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posting will focus on the environmental pros and cons of additive
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